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NAV HIV
The Generals Anime Empire.
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:27:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:So a player saves 3 Mil SP (approx. 9 weeks of work) just to skill fully, into a Caldari Scout. He chooses this suit over the others, only because he wants the precision boost that comes with the Caldari.
Now you completely change the bonuses of that suit. How can you not offer the person some sort of respect? Or at least let him choose to switch from the Cardari to the Amarr scout.
It's the electronic equivalent of going to Ford and buying a Mustang only to have some one take the Mustang back a month later and leave you a Ford Festiva, saying this was what Ford meant for the Mustang to really be.
In eve, this is like CCP suddenly deciding that Caldari ships will no longer use missiles. If you want ships with missiles you have to skill into Amarr, because that is the race CCP has decided would be better suited to missiles. (After you have skilled heavily into both missles and Caldari ships.)
Welcome to CCP... If IWS can get elected again lol then anything is possible... They changed the Role of Caldari completely and then some more lol... From a scout hunter i became a Tanked scout... Good for me in a way, cause i can play the "Solo selfish role again" lol
Forget about Respec, a simple "Sorry we changed our mind, because that's how we thought we can fix scouts, HTFU" would be nice too...
At least the cal scout is usable... Think about all those Gal Heavies... |
NAV HIV
The Generals Anime Empire.
1955
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:17:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Beastlina wrote:843-Vika wrote:Hawkin P wrote:So a player saves 3 Mil SP (approx. 9 weeks of work) just to skill fully, into a Caldari Scout. He chooses this suit over the others, only because he wants the precision boost that comes with the Caldari.
Now you completely change the bonuses of that suit. How can you not offer the person some sort of respect? Or at least let him choose to switch from the Cardari to the Amarr scout.
It's the electronic equivalent of going to Ford and buying a Mustang only to have some one take the Mustang back a month later and leave you a Ford Festiva, saying this was what Ford meant for the Mustang to really be.
In eve, this is like CCP suddenly deciding that Caldari ships will no longer use missiles. If you want ships with missiles you have to skill into Amarr, because that is the race CCP has decided would be better suited to missiles. (After you have skilled heavily into both missles and Caldari ships.) Sounds more like a FoTM chaser looking to get a respec just to get the next FoTM. Up until all races got a scout suit, were you a scout? No since you stated in your post you saved up sp for a scout, so that mean you never were a scout, just a FoTM chaser that speced into the most OP scout suit and cloak when it was released. Stop whining about lost SP and just play the game because with the amount of skills in the game, we were never supposed get any respecs after uprising was released ( back then CCP declared that there were no respecs intended, but since they added stuff to the game they were nice enough to respec just the weapons and drop suits when they were added ) so if you want to change your drop suit, save up more sp and the get your new suit. Man, how the hell is he a FOTM chaser. He skilled into something for the bonuses of the suit and now the bonuses have been changed. His reason for skilling intot he suit is gone. That same bonus is now on another suit so it makes perfect sense that he'd want that instead. If precision was swtiched over to minmatar then he'd be asking for that one instead. He's not a FOTM chaser he is just trying to keep his play style (that he spent weeks making) in tact. Quite simple, he wan't a scout until scouts got good, and then he chose to most op scout suit of them all, and that my friiend is a FoTM chaser in all aspects.
^ to that stupidity
He probably didn't have a enough SP to go to a second or may be third suit.... If he had to be a FOTM chaser, he would've gone for a Brick tanked Gal scout with a Shotty... He chose be the Hunter... He read the labels unlike other geniuses here and went for a different suit in Day # 1 when everyone else with SP went for Gal scouts... Most people who went to Gal scouts straight, didn't read the label, they read the forums... LOL |
NAV HIV
The Generals Anime Empire.
1957
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:41:00 -
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iKILLu osborne wrote:i'm a cal scout and if you read any other thread pertaining to this issue you know why i became cal scout
The changes to my role screwed my fitting options leaving my only viable fitting being pure ewar(don't have enough low slots to run a good ehp fit) and here is why even that got screwed
To compete with the gal scout i have to sacrifice all 4 of my highs for complex precision(where my hp goes) just to see a gal scout with 2 complex dampeners(leaving them with two lows to tank) if they use 3 dampeners i cannot see them ever while they can see me
An amarr scout can see me with 2 complex precision enhancor and can hide from me with 4 complex dampeners(can never see then)
the min was never in the race to begin with(poor little knifers)
so bottom line my only viable fitting(ewar) can be beaten by both amarr and gallente IS THAT BALANCE I THINK F'N NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well said... But people will try to justify it by saying : FOTM chaser and what not...
I have enough SP to get whatever... BUt i call BS when i see it |
NAV HIV
The Generals Anime Empire.
1957
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:53:00 -
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To a flawed argument...
# When CCP gave the Respec and people had the SP for it, People specced into Gal scout thinking More HP = More Kills... < FOTM chaser
# It's not the Cal scouts fault if other scouts weren't using proper modules.... I use 3 complex PE and 1 range + 1 Dampner on my suit... If the gal scout wants to be armor tanked, it isn't exactly my fault... Amar and Gal scouts used their suits as wanna be assaults and got hunted down for their own stupidity.... Gal scouts were and still are invisible to anyone... Don't try to argue with that... All the amar scouts i've seen before charlie were Brick tanked with CR and SG... They complained, because they didn't want to switch a plate for a dampener...
# Actual FOTM chasers are still the FOTM chaser... If CCP makes min scout powerful, they'd all spec into it and complain about amar and gal scout (Only to get the bonuses)
Next time read the label before speccing into anything... Not that it matters, CCP changes the label every other day due to L33T players who cry "FOTM" "OP" lol |
NAV HIV
The Generals Anime Empire.
1958
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:20:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:so what on an advanced suit you now have
2 slots for precision 1 for damp 1 reactive plate 1 shield extender
thats a pretty nice fit with the caldari bonuses vs scouts.
or
2 sheild extenders 1 plate 1 reactive plate 1 precision
thats pretty nice if there is not too much scouts about.
If i had to brick tank a scout i would've gone for Cal assault with 3 times more HP than that... |
NAV HIV
The Generals Anime Empire.
1959
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:40:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Beastlina wrote:843-Vika wrote:[quote=Hawkin P]So a player saves 3 Mil SP (approx. 9 weeks of work) just to skill fully, into a Caldari Scout. He chooses this suit over the others, only because he wants the precision boost that comes with the Caldari.
Now you completely change the bonuses of that suit. How can you not offer the person some sort of respect? Or at least let him choose to switch from the Cardari to the Amarr scout.
It's the electronic equivalent of going to Ford and buying a Mustang only to have some one take the Mustang back a month later and leave you a Ford Festiva, saying this was what Ford meant for the Mustang to really be.
In eve, this is like CCP suddenly deciding that Caldari ships will no longer use missiles. If you want ships with missiles you have to skill into Amarr, because that is the race CCP has decided would be better suited to missiles. (After you have skilled heavily into both missles and Caldari ships.) "Up until all races got a scout suit, were you a scout? No since you stated in your post you saved up sp for a scout, so that mean you never were a scout, just a FoTM chaser that speced into the most OP scout suit and cloak when it was released." And what is this bs? So every player that goes into a new suit is automatically a FOTM chaser? No1 can choose it because they like it anymore huh? Basically if you weren't a scout at the start you can never in your life be a scout without being down for chasing an op suit. Not true at all. If a person decides to try something new I'm all for that. But if you speced into a suit and cry for a respec as soon as it gets changed then your a FoTM chaser. I have been in dust since closed beta and i know the signs of a FoTM chaser when i see them. Specing into the most op suit in the game and then when it gets changed cry for a respec, is the biggest tell tale sign of a FoTM chaser, because now that the FoTM is changed they don't have enough sp to go into the next one and they cry and whine that they need a respec to be able spec into the next FoTM. Another sign of a FoTM chaser is the fact that they don't have any sp in the skills that are used to support the class they chose i.e eWAR skills for scout, nanohives and rep tools for logi, armor and shield skills for assalut and heavies. I have played as a scout when they were great in closed and open beta, I have played as a scout when they were crap before 1.8 and i will keep being a scout no matter what and I have never cried for a respec for anything at all, because i am quite happy with the choices i made in the min scout i use.
To a flawed argument... This was meant for you
# When CCP gave the Respec and people had the SP for it, People specced into Gal scout thinking More HP = More Kills... < FOTM chaser
# It's not the Cal scouts fault if other scouts weren't using proper modules.... I use 3 complex PE and 1 range + 1 Dampner on my suit... If the gal scout wants to be armor tanked, it isn't exactly my fault... Amar and Gal scouts used their suits as wanna be assaults and got hunted down for their own stupidity.... Gal scouts were and still are invisible to anyone... Don't try to argue with that... All the amar scouts i've seen before charlie were Brick tanked with CR and SG... They complained, because they didn't want to switch a plate for a dampener...
# Actual FOTM chasers are still the FOTM chaser... If CCP makes min scout powerful, they'd all spec into it and complain about amar and gal scout (Only to get the bonuses)
Next time read the label before speccing into anything... Not that it matters, CCP changes the label every other day due to L33T players who cry "FOTM" "OP" lol |
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